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9/9/2013 : 9 AM

Let's face facts, no matter what any of the creative staff does on the Sonic comic book at Archie comics.  No one is truly satisfied.  And there is a number of reasons as to why.  


1) You can't do a story arc, no matter how long it could be, without invoking one fanbase because you don't feature their favorite characters or the characters they feel are more established.  It's a true fact.  Over the past two years, you've had the Saturday morning fans be enraged because the stories were focusing more on the game characters.  But on the other hand, you have the game fans enraged with the upcoming Countdown To Chaos arc and in previous issues of the past were the Saturday morning/comic cast were featured more prominently then the game cast.  So no matter what this creative staff does, unless they can find a way to balance things out, it's always going to be a no-win situation.

2) Relationships, more importantly romantic relationships, always seem to be the center of controversy, because one fanbase wants Sonic to be with either Amy or Blaze, or Rouge, or even as crazy as it sounds, Elise. While the other fanbase wants Sonic to be together and stay together with Sally.  And thus is the reason why when Sonic is placed into what many have dubbed and noticed as a temporary relationship (boyfriend/girlfriend) with Sally.  You have the game fanbase totally ticked off at the fact that once again, Sonic/Sally are together as an item, even if it's only temporary.  But on the flip side, when someone like Ian Flynn shows/teases hints of possibly Sonic/Amy or any other game girl with Sonic in the comics, you have the Saturday morning/comic fanbase totally ticked off as well as if it was the other way around.  Which is why relationships for Sonic to be in, in the comic are not featured as much as they used to be.  
But you see, what game core fans just don't understand or refuse to understand and overlook, is the fact that Sally is the default choice.  As much as fans want Sonic to be with Amy or maybe even Blaze, they have to understand that because they appear in the games with Sonic, that it would detract from what each other's personality is about.  When it comes to Amy, they want Sonic to be in a steady and official relationship with her that no matter what other media focuses on Sonic, that they have to acknowledge Sonic and Amy as the official couple.  But again that detracts away from the personality that Sega had given Sonic and that is a personality of being a free spirit and not being held down by anything.  Which is why when the Saturday morning cartoon and the comics pair him up with Sally, Sega never really says any thing, because they understand, especially with the help of their representatives that get acknowledged in the credits on the first page of the comics, that pairing Sonic with Sally will not detract away from his personality that they have established for him, because,  a) she's not an in game character, yet. , b) even though she's part of the franchise, her relationship with Sonic, is the kind of relationship that can be turned on for as long as it needs to be and turned off for as long as it needs to be.
You take a look at Nintendo for example, you can't tell me that the people at Nintendo don't realize that the fans have acknowledged Mario/Peach and Luigi/Daisy as two individual couples, because they have.  The only difference is they don't shove it in our faces.  Because they know, that if they were to come out and officially acknowledge those 4 as individual boyfriend/girlfriend couples, that it would detract from what made the characters famous in the first place.  Which is why they don't/haven't come out and officially acknowledged it yet.  Thus is the reason why Sega has yet and probably never will come out and acknowledge Sonic and Amy or even Sonic and Blaze as official boyfriend/girlfriend couples, is because it would detract away from not only Sonic's established personality of being a free spirit, it would also detract away from the personalities that have been established with Amy and Blaze.
Which again is the reason, even if one does not want to acknowledge it, Sally is the default girlfriend/love instrest of Sonic in the Archie comic books.

3) When one creates or announces that they're going to be doing a long story arc, you have one side that supports them and you have another side that believes it's a big mistake.
When Ian did his long story arc which officially began in 225, and with a few interruptions/crossovers notwithstanding, officially ended in 252.  There were some fans that felt he did the best job he could and that he was trying to give us something different and refreshing.  On the flipside, you have some that believe that it was entirely a waste of time.  That all he was doing was padding on and padding on and padding on, without no real conclusion insight.  
And as much as Ian would like to come out and has come out to try to explain the reasoning behind what's going on and even going as far as to admit that the near 25 issue (not counting worlds collide crossover) was even too long for his taste, it seems no matter how you feel about the guy or anyone else that would attempt to do an epic story arc for a very established comic, that there will always be a division amongst the fan's.

4) Finally, we have the redesigns.  As I've mentioned in my monthly opinions video for this month, it's not the first time that the Saturday morning cast has been redesigned.  You take a look back in 1993 and 1994, as well as you take a look at the original Sonic miniseries comic and the first official 14 issues, and then later on down the line, starting with back stories in issues 17 and 18 as well as in the 48 page comic book special, Sonic In Your Face, as well as down the line in the mid-to late 80s issues with a certain half cybernetic Bunnie and even afterwords in issue 134, we have seen the characters go through a number of redesigns.  True, some of the redesigns have been just adding new clothing or making one's hair longer, but we have seen our share of redesigns, even if they were small tweaks here and there.
But when it comes to these new redesigns, which are being introduced in the 20th anniversary year of the comic, once again we have an overall fan base divided.  Because you have some that like it, and you have some that don't care for it.  Me, I'm fine with it.  Because honestly, I don't think it's the redesigns that a lot of fans are worried about, it's more or less what the personalities of the characters of going to be like.  Basically will they still be the same?  Will they be different?  Or will they be tweaked in some areas?  You see, that honestly is what I feel fan's who don't like the redesigns all really worried about.  Because let's be honest, we all know that those that don't like the redesigns, they will get over them in time, it's more or less of what the personalities of going to be like.  Now Ian has said each character will be who they are.  For example, Sally will be Sally, or Antoine will be Antoine, Bunnie will be Bunnie, etc..., So for right now as much as people may not want to believe Ian Flynn, we have to take him at his word. Now true, they may, and I say this as a slight possibility, they may tweak just a bit of the personalities on the characters, so that newer fans can relate to them.  But like I said, it's a slight possibility.


Overall, no matter how one looks at it, there's no satisfying the overall fan base.  The only way it can be satisfied as I mentioned earlier is to find a way to balance everything out.  But even then, even if it's a smooth ride from then on, you may and probably still will have a divided fan base no matter what.

And that's all I have to say about that.  God bless and take care.


9/9/2013 : 9:52 AM
9/9/2013 : 9 AM

Let's face facts, no matter what any of the creative staff does on the Sonic comic book at Archie comics. No one is truly satisfied. And there is a number of reasons as to why.


1) You can't do a story arc, no matter how long it could be, without invoking one fanbase because you don't feature their favorite characters or the characters they feel are more established. It's a true fact. Over the past two years, you've had the Saturday morning fans be enraged because the stories were focusing more on the game characters. But on the other hand, you have the game fans enraged with the upcoming Countdown To Chaos arc and in previous issues of the past were the Saturday morning/comic cast were featured more prominently then the game cast. So no matter what this creative staff does, unless they can find a way to balance things out, it's always going to be a no-win situation.

2) Relationships, more importantly romantic relationships, always seem to be the center of controversy, because one fanbase wants Sonic to be with either Amy or Blaze, or Rouge, or even as crazy as it sounds, Elise. While the other fanbase wants Sonic to be together and stay together with Sally. And thus is the reason why when Sonic is placed into what many have dubbed and noticed as a temporary relationship (boyfriend/girlfriend) with Sally. You have the game fanbase totally ticked off at the fact that once again, Sonic/Sally are together as an item, even if it's only temporary. But on the flip side, when someone like Ian Flynn shows/teases hints of possibly Sonic/Amy or any other game girl with Sonic in the comics, you have the Saturday morning/comic fanbase totally ticked off as well as if it was the other way around. Which is why relationships for Sonic to be in, in the comic are not featured as much as they used to be.
But you see, what game core fans just don't understand or refuse to understand and overlook, is the fact that Sally is the default choice. As much as fans want Sonic to be with Amy or maybe even Blaze, they have to understand that because they appear in the games with Sonic, that it would detract from what each other's personality is about. When it comes to Amy, they want Sonic to be in a steady and official relationship with her that no matter what other media focuses on Sonic, that they have to acknowledge Sonic and Amy as the official couple. But again that detracts away from the personality that Sega had given Sonic and that is a personality of being a free spirit and not being held down by anything. Which is why when the Saturday morning cartoon and the comics pair him up with Sally, Sega never really says any thing, because they understand, especially with the help of their representatives that get acknowledged in the credits on the first page of the comics, that pairing Sonic with Sally will not detract away from his personality that they have established for him, because, a) she's not an in game character, yet. , b) even though she's part of the franchise, her relationship with Sonic, is the kind of relationship that can be turned on for as long as it needs to be and turned off for as long as it needs to be.
You take a look at Nintendo for example, you can't tell me that the people at Nintendo don't realize that the fans have acknowledged Mario/Peach and Luigi/Daisy as two individual couples, because they have. The only difference is they don't shove it in our faces. Because they know, that if they were to come out and officially acknowledge those 4 as individual boyfriend/girlfriend couples, that it would detract from what made the characters famous in the first place. Which is why they don't/haven't come out and officially acknowledged it yet. Thus is the reason why Sega has yet and probably never will come out and acknowledge Sonic and Amy or even Sonic and Blaze as official boyfriend/girlfriend couples, is because it would detract away from not only Sonic's established personality of being a free spirit, it would also detract away from the personalities that have been established with Amy and Blaze.
Which again is the reason, even if one does not want to acknowledge it, Sally is the default girlfriend/love instrest of Sonic in the Archie comic books.

3) When one creates or announces that they're going to be doing a long story arc, you have one side that supports them and you have another side that believes it's a big mistake.
When Ian did his long story arc which officially began in 225, and with a few interruptions/crossovers notwithstanding, officially ended in 252. There were some fans that felt he did the best job he could and that he was trying to give us something different and refreshing. On the flipside, you have some that believe that it was entirely a waste of time. That all he was doing was padding on and padding on and padding on, without no real conclusion insight.
And as much as Ian would like to come out and has come out to try to explain the reasoning behind what's going on and even going as far as to admit that the near 25 issue (not counting worlds collide crossover) was even too long for his taste, it seems no matter how you feel about the guy or anyone else that would attempt to do an epic story arc for a very established comic, that there will always be a division amongst the fan's.

4) Finally, we have the redesigns. As I've mentioned in my monthly opinions video for this month, it's not the first time that the Saturday morning cast has been redesigned. You take a look back in 1993 and 1994, as well as you take a look at the original Sonic miniseries comic and the first official 14 issues, and then later on down the line, starting with back stories in issues 17 and 18 as well as in the 48 page comic book special, Sonic In Your Face, as well as down the line in the mid-to late 80s issues with a certain half cybernetic Bunnie and even afterwords in issue 134, we have seen the characters go through a number of redesigns. True, some of the redesigns have been just adding new clothing or making one's hair longer, but we have seen our share of redesigns, even if they were small tweaks here and there.
But when it comes to these new redesigns, which are being introduced in the 20th anniversary year of the comic, once again we have an overall fan base divided. Because you have some that like it, and you have some that don't care for it. Me, I'm fine with it. Because honestly, I don't think it's the redesigns that a lot of fans are worried about, it's more or less what the personalities of the characters of going to be like. Basically will they still be the same? Will they be different? Or will they be tweaked in some areas? You see, that honestly is what I feel fan's who don't like the redesigns all really worried about. Because let's be honest, we all know that those that don't like the redesigns, they will get over them in time, it's more or less of what the personalities of going to be like. Now Ian has said each character will be who they are. For example, Sally will be Sally, or Antoine will be Antoine, Bunnie will be Bunnie, etc..., So for right now as much as people may not want to believe Ian Flynn, we have to take him at his word. Now true, they may, and I say this as a slight possibility, they may tweak just a bit of the personalities on the characters, so that newer fans can relate to them. But like I said, it's a slight possibility.


Overall, no matter how one looks at it, there's no satisfying the overall fan base. The only way it can be satisfied as I mentioned earlier is to find a way to balance everything out. But even then, even if it's a smooth ride from then on, you may and probably still will have a divided fan base no matter what.

And that's all I have to say about that. God bless and take care.


9/9/2013 : 9:52 AM
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SirBurnout Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Student General Artist
That's a very good point. No matter if you like or hate the comic, or you prefer the games or SatAM T.V show, there will always be complaining

I mean before Genesis, some fans accused him for being a Pro-SonAlly fan, but after the Genesis arc, some other fans accused him of being a Pro-SonAmy fan. I just don't get it?  :( (Sad) 
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cartoonking1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
It's the Sonic fanbase, no one is ever satisfied, no one ever will be.
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SurrealBrain Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
I can agree with that...
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cartoonking1 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
I have stopped caring about fan reactions, most of them just repeat the same thing over and over again...
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DARKZADARPRIME Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
one solution  separate comics  
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MarkWilder Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Game fans already hate the comics for not being like the games. What's keeping them from hating the comic anyway?
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DARKZADARPRIME Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:shrug:
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MarkWilder Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
Yeah: not much.
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DARKZADARPRIME Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod:
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cartoonking1 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
I don't like the turn of events but I am thankful that it was not worse.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You're forgetting about the fanboys who will gladly take anything Flynn makes without question. He needs to stop pandering to them, and start making something new.
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DragoLord09 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
It doesn't matter who's writing, drawing, or editing!!  Comic book readers are a fickle bunch, complaining about any little thing or over praising something that isn't that important!  And that's not even counting the morons who think they can do better, only to turn out worse then their predecessors.  And from what I've seen on this site and many others, I fear for entertainment's future.  In fact, I would like to post a question to not only the Archie and SatAM fans, who clearly need to grow up and stop being annoying 5 year old brats, or even Sonic fans in general, but to all fans and fandoms out there: What makes you so sure that your vision for your franchise is the correct one and not colored by bias/personal preference overshadowing true repair work needed?
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I thought you weren't doing this anymore. R.E.L.E.V.A.N.C.E.
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DragoLord09 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Let me ask you something, if I eliminate all of you refugees from an insane asylum that delude themselves that they are fans of something, would that be murder or charity?
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
So now you're turning from a "Guy who uses unrelated rants and comments to espouse his views on the entertainment industry as a whole despit ebeing told multiple teams that we don't share this view and never will" into "High-and-mighty, condescending prick?" How many times do I have to hammer it in? Nobody bloody cares about your pessimistic view on the entertainment industry. For all our complaining about this comic, there are plenty of other series that we can enjoy. Just because we hate one comic, doesn't mean that all of them are going downhill as well. I still like IDW. And extending this beyond comics, TV is actually improving greatly, and we're getting a lot of good movies at the moment. We're also seeing much less in terms of copy=pasted games with more zombies and soldiers, and getting some actually interesting ideas. I'm hyped as all hell for Pokemon Y, Smash Brothers 4, and Sonic Lost World. Three comic companies are not representative of the entertainment industry as a whole.

Either stay on-topic, or leave us to our so-called 'delusions.'
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DragoLord09 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Just my own views on modern entertainment, no need for anybody to bite off people's heads while hunting them down.  Can I help it if pages and comments like this seem to be holding up signs saying, "big target right here, throw anything you'd like at it"?  Speaking of head-hunting, I wonder if your group has found more supporters or haven't you been able to find people that will listen to them and their thoughts?  In fact, to turn your own italicized statement back at you, how many people actually feel like your ideas are the right ones or at least heading in the right direction, and that you don't feel like your just another interesting writer being the star of the show for the next 5 to 10 minutes?

And as for Lost World, well all I can say is that from what I've seen out of the pictures and videos released thus far, SEGA has only made one really good game for the Sonic series, and that's the first one, everything else is either a retread of the first game (pre-Adventure) or a bad remix catering to unseen niche groups (Adventure onwards) not unlike how the adaptions for comic strips, books, and animation distorted the original essence of its source material to attract people to get them through lean times, still, it's more of a case of, "good idea, poor execution" when you look at the end result.

As for entertainment going down the drain, it's only my opinion of it, as of this current time period; it could pick up again, it could stay the same or go down, who knows?  All one can do is wait and see for the end result to come about.
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ToaArcan Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
This piece is talking about the comic's inability to please everyone, not about the overall quality of it. Added that we are talking about one specific area, not the series as a whole, and the fact that my comment was about how Flynn's biggests fans will happily accept everything. Nothing to do with your views.

Added, we talk about our dislike of the comic to those who care. We don't go to unrelated comic supporters and tell them that they're wrong, we let them have their fun, and only argue with those that comment on our pages. Otherwise, we do the civil thing an let them be. Perhaps you should do the same. I'm sure there are some people that share your views. You don't need to preach it at us, because none of us agree and we're all tired of your bullshit. And hey, I don't know if I'm right, I'm just here to air my own grievances with the comic.

If you only like one game in the series, and nothing else... why are you even here? Liking one entry doesn't make you a fan. not to mention that, regardless of who you ask, you're more likely to hear that Sonic 2 or 3 and Knuckles are better games. Not to mention that the Adventure games were actually good for their time, and are still fun to play now, and while 2004-2006 was a bad period, after that, the games have improved greatly. You're starting to sound like a Sonic equivalent of a Geewunner. Here's something for you wrap your head around: I enjoyed Sonic Colours more than the classics. I think it's a better game. I want more games like it. Bite me.
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DragoLord09 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
You are a SatAM fan, right?  Why are you getting hyped up for Lost World, wouldn't that be a betrayal towards your own interests and your fellow fans?  Though if you want to expand your perspective of a franchise htat the company doesn't not what to do with it, go for it.
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Bandincorperated Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
I was actually thinking this the other day.
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Student Writer
That maybe true, but that's still no excuse for Archie Sonic to treat the comic cast so flippantly as if they don't even matter anymore.

I don't want to read a comic about how great and favored the game cast is and the comic ones like Sally and Bunnie are their stepping stones. If I want a comic like that, I'll read the Sonic X one.
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MarkWilder Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Agreed.
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Student Writer
:nod:
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Skythehedgehog47 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Heres one way to put it the Archie comics is nothing but a mess of "fan pandering"
trying to please fans instead of telling a story, to me  a comic story should have a series story based on what the creators want in there own circle but instead archie bring the public involved and this is the result of it,

On top of the fact the Satam cast seems to be treated like dirt because either  the writer doesn't like them, SEGA wants the games boosted more,  or lawsuit issues,

its amazing the fact after I read SU 55 then getting 252  I Literally saw  where the story was going to go for the next 20 issues  which is why I not going to be bother plus its going to be tedious and make sonic save the day for the end of blazes arc because the story wants it that way.

This is not how stories should be written  and I will not accept these new designs, nor stand for this stupid writing.      
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Student Writer
Really? You can tell what's going to happen for the next 20 issues?

That's just disgusting on Archie's part.

I should have this coming though. Archie is nothing more than kissing up to SEGA now and making THEIR cast look good and heroic while giving the others who deserve equal treatment the shaft.


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Skythehedgehog47 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
yesh if you haven't read 252 heres the  just of it,  sonic and tails remember the previous reality, the fresh of the freedom fighters are separated through out the new world this is where I picked on blazes arc since amy and cream are in blazes world , will start off with them,  will get a some kind of chain reaction of getting which leads sonic to the sol kingdom and fights with blaze, or more correct sonic "saves" everyone we say hello/ bye/ thanks, then sonic and co. go home, 

This "search and save" process will be done with  sally, antoine, bunny, rotor,  each story  focusing on introducing the new member  depending on how well you could plan out each individual recuse(archies level) this could pan out maybe this would leave us with 30 issue setup if they drag it out  and I'm counting SU as well in that.  
  
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Student Writer
If that does indeed happen, Archie is scrapping the bottom of the barrel now.

I mean, fans should not be able to see that kind of stuff in a story 10 miles away.
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Skythehedgehog47 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
I know right!  its pathetic , from that I just went and wrote out my version of the story but I did it in manner I'm sure they would have only better ( yeah it has fan characters )  but  the way I wrote I don't know why I have a feeling they would bring "burning blaze" into the story in order to make it "more fantastic and exciting"  if you see  artwork of burning blaze artwork with her fighting pirates just know I called it.    

but back on the comics your right a story should not be seen 10 miles ahead , that only shows how  flat your story is.
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SonicSatamX93 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Student Writer
Ian's writing is extremely predictable.

Just ask :iconvorahk295: He'll tell you all about it.

Honestly, I could almost swear the fans care more about the pretty artwork than an actual story with depth to it.
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Skythehedgehog47 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
I'm actually starting to think that as well,  in which case don't make a comic archie just make it a freaken picture book that releases once a month and have people make up there own dialog  if there even smart enough for that much.
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Double-Dork Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well sais, friend.
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